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		<title>By: Chris Kolenko</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kolenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha, I was just reading a comment from Rob Conery's blog about the TDD stuff, and it point to John McAlrooney comment.

If I was doing a screen cast I would say 'I'm Chris Kolenko I work for Interesting!'. Only because I'm proud to work here. Not to create crediblity. 

By John bagging out Rob, isn't that in fact a way to stand out from the croud and get some attention. I'm waiting for John to put some sort of spin to create credibility for himself. Any publicity is good publicity.

Back to the fact. If you have watched all of his screen casts. He has always said, he is giving this a go, and sharing his experiences with the community. Correct me if I'm wrong Rob.

That goes for both TDD and the Alternate Repository pattern (Repository+).

The only bad thing about what Rob is doing, is every muppet developer out there is going to get his hands on it and hack it into a customers websites. Borning another munch of bad programmers. Can Microsoft invent something to stop them? lol.. sorry past experiences coming out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha, I was just reading a comment from Rob Conery&#8217;s blog about the TDD stuff, and it point to John McAlrooney comment.</p>
<p>If I was doing a screen cast I would say &#8216;I&#8217;m Chris Kolenko I work for Interesting!&#8217;. Only because I&#8217;m proud to work here. Not to create crediblity. </p>
<p>By John bagging out Rob, isn&#8217;t that in fact a way to stand out from the croud and get some attention. I&#8217;m waiting for John to put some sort of spin to create credibility for himself. Any publicity is good publicity.</p>
<p>Back to the fact. If you have watched all of his screen casts. He has always said, he is giving this a go, and sharing his experiences with the community. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong Rob.</p>
<p>That goes for both TDD and the Alternate Repository pattern (Repository+).</p>
<p>The only bad thing about what Rob is doing, is every muppet developer out there is going to get his hands on it and hack it into a customers websites. Borning another munch of bad programmers. Can Microsoft invent something to stop them? lol.. sorry past experiences coming out.</p>
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		<title>By: Vera</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Vera...&lt;/strong&gt;

If you ever need a helping hand, you'll find one at the end of your arm. As you grow older you will discover that you have two hands. One for helping yourself, the other for helping others....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Vera&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If you ever need a helping hand, you&#8217;ll find one at the end of your arm. As you grow older you will discover that you have two hands. One for helping yourself, the other for helping others&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John McAlrooney</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>John McAlrooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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"When you open up with “My name is Rob Conery and I work for Microsoft”, you are declaring yourself to be an expert at whatever you are talking about.

Are you kidding me? I really hope that this is an aberration and the majority of the .NET community doesn’t feel this way."
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Has anyone checked out the Microsoft Homepage lately?

"Hero's happen here. Meet the experts." - Seems Microsoft themselves feel they have the experts.

At any rate, I've read Rob's blog for quite some time and it's pretty much public speaking 101 to:

1.) Tell people who you are and
2.) Establish credibility

By saying, "Hi I'm Rob Conery, and I work for Microsoft", he is attempting to do just that, just as he used to start the CSK screencasts, with "Hi I'm Rob Conery, and I'm the Chief Architect of the CSK."

Tell people who you are and establish credibility.

Personally, I view Rob Conery as a blogger-for-hire for Microsoft. He's kinda the Potsie of coding, so I'm willing to overlook a lot of what he says, but for people trying to learn TDD, he definitely didn't position the screencast as a learning process, so they would be suceptible to receiving poor information. Frankly, I think Bellware did the Microsoft community a favor by calling him on it. These 'softies can't be allowed to run rough-shod over the community because they say "Hi I'm A. Dude and I work for Microsoft."</description>
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&#8220;When you open up with “My name is Rob Conery and I work for Microsoft”, you are declaring yourself to be an expert at whatever you are talking about.</p>
<p>Are you kidding me? I really hope that this is an aberration and the majority of the .NET community doesn’t feel this way.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Has anyone checked out the Microsoft Homepage lately?</p>
<p>&#8220;Hero&#8217;s happen here. Meet the experts.&#8221; - Seems Microsoft themselves feel they have the experts.</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;ve read Rob&#8217;s blog for quite some time and it&#8217;s pretty much public speaking 101 to:</p>
<p>1.) Tell people who you are and<br />
2.) Establish credibility</p>
<p>By saying, &#8220;Hi I&#8217;m Rob Conery, and I work for Microsoft&#8221;, he is attempting to do just that, just as he used to start the CSK screencasts, with &#8220;Hi I&#8217;m Rob Conery, and I&#8217;m the Chief Architect of the CSK.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell people who you are and establish credibility.</p>
<p>Personally, I view Rob Conery as a blogger-for-hire for Microsoft. He&#8217;s kinda the Potsie of coding, so I&#8217;m willing to overlook a lot of what he says, but for people trying to learn TDD, he definitely didn&#8217;t position the screencast as a learning process, so they would be suceptible to receiving poor information. Frankly, I think Bellware did the Microsoft community a favor by calling him on it. These &#8217;softies can&#8217;t be allowed to run rough-shod over the community because they say &#8220;Hi I&#8217;m A. Dude and I work for Microsoft.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stevens</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, I'm late to this post, but I think you have said your peace eloquently. I suspect the outcome for this episode will be positive for the community even though I don't like the way the issues were raised initially. Thanks for bringing a thoughtful proposal to the discussion.

++Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, I&#8217;m late to this post, but I think you have said your peace eloquently. I suspect the outcome for this episode will be positive for the community even though I don&#8217;t like the way the issues were raised initially. Thanks for bringing a thoughtful proposal to the discussion.</p>
<p>++Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bellware</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bellware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no. Microsoft hasn't killed my puppy. Microsoft is limiting the extent of Microsoft customer community's potential for not communicating and representing software practices accurately - especially when doing so as representatives from Microsoft.

Since when did we forget how to think for ourselves? When Microsoft employees became complicit en-masse in an effort toward promulgating and leveraging Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in Microsoft customer community. It's very long tail is still very much in play, influencing and sometimes directly controlling the extent to which customers use intelligence and discernment to make decisions.

You've only recently left Microsoft. You've got a ways to go before you'll be willing to accept the full extent of the reality of how Microsoft is willing to degrade customer success potential to serve its own sense of entitlement to continued lethargy and the predisposition toward hubris and negligence that is the after-effects of the FUD long tail on Microsoft's own culture and attitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no. Microsoft hasn&#8217;t killed my puppy. Microsoft is limiting the extent of Microsoft customer community&#8217;s potential for not communicating and representing software practices accurately - especially when doing so as representatives from Microsoft.</p>
<p>Since when did we forget how to think for ourselves? When Microsoft employees became complicit en-masse in an effort toward promulgating and leveraging Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in Microsoft customer community. It&#8217;s very long tail is still very much in play, influencing and sometimes directly controlling the extent to which customers use intelligence and discernment to make decisions.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve only recently left Microsoft. You&#8217;ve got a ways to go before you&#8217;ll be willing to accept the full extent of the reality of how Microsoft is willing to degrade customer success potential to serve its own sense of entitlement to continued lethargy and the predisposition toward hubris and negligence that is the after-effects of the FUD long tail on Microsoft&#8217;s own culture and attitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trumpet of Sales and Marketing drowned out everything a long time ago which is why you have people (including many who work there) believing that everyone who works at Microsoft is an absolute expert in their field.

Couple that with the fact that there is very little guidance coming from anywhere else (and sorry, 50 or so alt.net bloggers isn't making a big enough difference), I think that Bellware &#38; co are right to demand that whatever guidance comes from Microsoft be absolutely accurate.

ps Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trumpet of Sales and Marketing drowned out everything a long time ago which is why you have people (including many who work there) believing that everyone who works at Microsoft is an absolute expert in their field.</p>
<p>Couple that with the fact that there is very little guidance coming from anywhere else (and sorry, 50 or so alt.net bloggers isn&#8217;t making a big enough difference), I think that Bellware &amp; co are right to demand that whatever guidance comes from Microsoft be absolutely accurate.</p>
<p>ps Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: NinjaCross</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>NinjaCross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, really.
I full agree with every point you discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, really.<br />
I full agree with every point you discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Bogard</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Bogard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've had pretty much the same experience as Chad, where tool experts (or MS employees) are also assumed to be complete domain experts.  I worked at places where source control wasn't important because VSS wasn't that important.  Or CI wasn't important because Team Build didn't have it (yet).

I get that MS is a tool vendor.  The .NET community hasn't quite grown up to recognize this and looked to the overall software community for guidance in design, architecture, values, principles, practices, etc.

Scott was merely calling out the fact most developers viewing an MS employee showing development is also a recommendation for how to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had pretty much the same experience as Chad, where tool experts (or MS employees) are also assumed to be complete domain experts.  I worked at places where source control wasn&#8217;t important because VSS wasn&#8217;t that important.  Or CI wasn&#8217;t important because Team Build didn&#8217;t have it (yet).</p>
<p>I get that MS is a tool vendor.  The .NET community hasn&#8217;t quite grown up to recognize this and looked to the overall software community for guidance in design, architecture, values, principles, practices, etc.</p>
<p>Scott was merely calling out the fact most developers viewing an MS employee showing development is also a recommendation for how to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Conery</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Conery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Nate - and for what it's worth I had a real fun time talking to Scott :). He's quite a nice guy on a mission - we talked a lot about the delivery and I'll keep that to myself; the short story is we're meeting next week in Redmond and going over some things.

@Chad - "we meet againnnnn" :). The interesting thing for me, WRT to your argument about the "MS Expert" thing is that it inherently doesn't scale. When I wrote my post about beer... well shoot that doesn't work cause unfortunately i know WAY too much about beer...

Hmmm - might have to rethink this expert thing. "Yyyyyeesssss... the POOWWWWEEEERRRRR"... Smithers! Fetch me my Colostomy Bag!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Nate - and for what it&#8217;s worth I had a real fun time talking to Scott :). He&#8217;s quite a nice guy on a mission - we talked a lot about the delivery and I&#8217;ll keep that to myself; the short story is we&#8217;re meeting next week in Redmond and going over some things.</p>
<p>@Chad - &#8220;we meet againnnnn&#8221; :). The interesting thing for me, WRT to your argument about the &#8220;MS Expert&#8221; thing is that it inherently doesn&#8217;t scale. When I wrote my post about beer&#8230; well shoot that doesn&#8217;t work cause unfortunately i know WAY too much about beer&#8230;</p>
<p>Hmmm - might have to rethink this expert thing. &#8220;Yyyyyeesssss&#8230; the POOWWWWEEEERRRRR&#8221;&#8230; Smithers! Fetch me my Colostomy Bag!</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://kohari.org/2008/04/09/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-people/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That guy is a real jerk. Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That guy is a real jerk. Enough said.</p>
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